Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. Has it always been a democratic, progressive authority and, is it so today? Create New Account. Any profits went into the family home and we knew that we would get in return our Saturday matinee money and a sweety. Hi, I'm not from Govan though my grandparents, Janet (Nettie) and David Finlayson owned a newsagents in Neptune Street in the 1940s/1950s. The spin put on the regeneration programmes of the past have put too much emphasis on bricks and mortar rather than helping people deal with their own problems themselves. It occurs in the buyers market where access to housing is based on the ability to pay, and it also takes place in the council allocation system where the disadvantaged are lumped together in sink housing schemes. Historically it was part of the County of Lanark. My sister and I were married in 1961 at Govan Parish where we were members. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. 99m New Cafe India Govan . You have to take the responsibility for some of that.''. I was the smallest and skinniest one there, there were about 10 of us up on the dyke, they're all shouting at me, so I shouts I'm just gettting ready. We stayed in Elphinstone Street but after a fire we had to move to my grans house at 62 Golspie Street at the corner of Langlands Road, it was known as McCormick's close he being the owner of a hardware store. who traditionally incorporate the red and black civic colours in the socks of their kit;[43] their Ibrox Stadium has a stand named for Govan (the closest to the heart of the burgh), although officially this was re-named after their former player Sandy Jardine in 2014.[44]. Contact Us. Little did we no that years later I would be living above that very shop. Within a years, Moorepark had gained the abusive epithet of the Wine Alley. Glasgow Braendam Link is a Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in Scotland, No. She had two brothers James (b.1924), Michael (b.1928) Agnes (b.1930) and Kathleen (b.1932). My Aunt and Uncle Kathleen and Tommy Blacker lived in 6 Rathlin Street, Govan. We loved it there and had best times growing up in Govan, a great wee community and a great bunch of people, neighbours were great and we had lots of great friends to play with. The police discovered an empty flat on the eighth floor which would give them a birds eye view of the entrance to Burnsides tenement flat close. I spent a lot of time at my granny's while growing up I remember we used to get payed for watching the cars when there was a game on at Ibrox. The owner later came in with home-made tablet for all of us. Komunitn organizcia. We moved to a new house in Mallaig Road which was built on what used to be Millers Farm where I stayed until I got married. Again, as happened in Moorepark in the mid 1970s, selective letting policies resulted in the housing of people who suffered not only from economic deprivation but had many related social problems of drink, drugs, and petty theft. I learned then that Govan as I knew it had obviously changed (the three picture houses were gone) but was still a thriving community. The scheme was codenamed Operation Buckfast after a brand of tonic wine popular in the area. First, if the government are to tackle inequality and the centring of disadvantaged groups, then they will have to understand that it is the housing system itself that creates it. Somehow the government cannot understand that external improvements can only benefit any dilapidated area by not only improving its external image but also by giving the local residents a sense of Well-Being. Memory says it was painted red but I might be wrong. Wine Alley Govan Kids Southern General Hospital On the Clyde Govan Kvaerner/Fairfield Shipyards Govan Shipyards ( Front gate pics ) The Plaza/Vogue Govan Dry Docks Trams in Govan/ Goods Carriers Inside the Lyceum Bingo/Picture Hall Lyceum Projection Room Lyceum Foyer & Balcony Foyer Lyceum Cinema Balcony Inside The Lyceum Govan Baths Harhill We went back to Govan until we could get passage, and I attended Bellahouston Academy. In 1855, an elaborately carved sandstone sarcophagus was found during digging in the churchyard. I was born Jan 6th 1951 and brought up in flat above Co-op in Helen Street at Govan Cross, I Went to Harmony Row and Hills Trust Primary schools before moving to Pollok when I was 10 .I have 4 brothers Dave, Bobby, Shuggie, all born in Govan ..and Alastair born in Pollok. I cleaned it up and he must have been watching, as he came back out to see if I had done well. I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. When all my pals joined the Lifeboys I went along too for 2 weeks, I think the hall was on Portman or Middlesex Street. One day in the Summer, off we went to the Steamie, everybody went in, my Cousin and I stayed outside. My mam would love to know. I loved Govan how all the woman watched as we played there was always an adult around and if they were not outside you knew exactly where to find them sitting in a house having a cup of tea great great days I wish we had lived in Govan longer than my 5 years but we always had many visits back to see relies and old neighbours. My father was called up at the beginning of the War and my mother died when he was in Europe, I went to live with my grandparents on Wee Logie Street, I was 2years old and spent the rest of my childhood there until 1956 when I came to Canada with my grandmother to live with my uncle (my mum's young brother). Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. In sum, effective participatory urban management calls for a fundamental rethink from all the players involved, from the local authorities and development agencies, through local (and sometimes international) non-governmental organisations, to the community-based organisations themselve; in redefining their roles and relationships, if something is to be done for the benefit of all. Reid was a prominent union leader whose successful 'work in' at the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders in 1971 stopped government attempts to close the yards. HP10 9TY. I am Mary Haggarty and it was 95 Golspie street, cannot believe someone remembers, my mum will probably remember your family will ask her tonight. VINE ALLEY BISTRO - 31 Photos & 13 Reviews - 114 Market St - Yelp In its turn, this attitude helped create the malignant tales about people who lived there as being nothing but thieves, layabouts and drunks. Been looking at the old pictures of Govan and wondered if anyone remembers my father's Chemist/Optician shop at Govan Cross near Helen St, 830 Govan Road. It was fantastic we even had a large grass area to play such a great childhood. . The local hire firm in Govan wasn't aware that their customer was a drug dealer. We all loved living there as Govan was such a great place and had everything you needed, especially four cinemas. 'Wine Alley', Govan Pop: 10,875 (whole ward) Problems: Mainly drug-related crime. My Mum was Godmother to your brother and I was at your wedding. Writing on behalf of my auntie. Both my parents went to Greenfield School then Govan High. Posted on Behalf of Mags Monaghan The "Wine Alley" housing scheme, just off the Broomloan Road, was notorious in Govan and elsewhere in Glasgow as a den of thieves, drunks and drug addicts. I screamed blue murder, he wanted to pull my pants down, but no way I letting him do that to me. So, has Glasgow and other cities always been in the hands of comprehensive planners who take an overview of all the parties involved? I agreed and the result is the Report, which you now have today which is meant for the October 17th World Poverty Day. Wine Quality 4/4. Community organisation. During the two-week surveillance every addict who called at Burnside's flat for drugs was then arrested by the team and questioned. The area was originally a country estate which contained a mansion house, Moore Park, which was built in the early 19th century for the Hagart family, to plans prepared by the architect David Hamilton. It was a Magical childhood play area, the closestairs were a Pirate Ship; Hospital; Wee Shop; School, aye in the 1950's we used our imagination rather than computers to stop us being bored! Her name was Mary Murray. Co. Ltd., Alexander Stephens & Sons, J & G Thomson, Harland & Wolff and more. In 1973 SNP won a by-election with Margo MacDonald as their candidate. 11 a.m.-8 p.m. Monday . Sometimes on a Sunday we would go over to Kelvingrove and (if memory serves me) run around the suits of armour until we were thrown out of the Art Galleries. 11 Barr, 1997, p. 47-58 12Dailly, 2005, p. 8 who originated from the Helen Street area of Govan, but are now based further west at Shieldhall. We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing "ball" against the red brick wall for hours. The writer on housing problems, T. A. Markus, wondered why many important questions were never asked in the planning process. 9 Goodlad, and Meegan, 2005, p. 188, Community Power in Community Planning Maureen Doyle was my name then. Business . But then officers were based in a more forbidding Victorian building about a mile away in Orkney Street. When I got married I moved to Arden, I now live in Clarkston in the South of Glasgow. Over the years the Wine Alley had been severely neglected by the council and in the 1980s like a lot of places in Britain people were faced with high unemployment, drug abuse and crime, it continued to get worse and the homes were in such a bad state due to continued council neglect and lack of investment that they were demolished by 1995 and the people scattered to the 4 corners of Govan and beyond.http://www.acumfaegovan.com My cousins and I thought we should try this. First, this fosters connectedness seen in social capital and enhanced trust in government and in fellow citizens. The Bookies, Archie and Peter Logan ran their Book from the back court. It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick. Driscoll, Stephen, "Govan, an early medieval royal centre", p. 79. I was born In Cowie Street, Kinning Park and as Pauline noted earlier there was indeed a pub on it's corner called Grants Bar. Govan is served by community radio station Sunny Govan, broadcasting on 103.5FM to the city of Glasgow and surrounding districts, discussing local issues and providing advice, and with diverse musical output covering soul, hip-hop and reggae. Galbraith shop opposite Elderpark, they sold us kids a bag of broken biscuits. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. Mum married and moved to Whiteinch as a child and I remember going across on the ferry to Govan, Anyone recall my mum? 8/1. One flat was chosen in Wine Alley and a second across the road in a collection of tower blocks called Iona Court. Does anyone remember; Sophie, Robert; and Mary,who lived in Carmichael Street, Govan 1936? I don't know the name though and wondered if anyone could remember it. [1][2] By the early 20th century Moorepark was bounded by the commercial properties, tenements and villas of the Broomloan estate to the east and railway lines to the west. I would say about 90% of them never stayed in the winey they probably stayed kintra st, briton st, brighton st or clynder st etc but never the winealley. However, as soon as Bishop Loch got permission to build, they immediately decided to cancel the hotel, and double the amount of private houses to a 1,000. People lived with the inconsistency in the records. Especially in the Scottish context, given the important role that they have played in community planning. We stayed next door to the Mellon's in 31 Rathlin Street for a short time, I was friendly with your brother Paul. I used to visit your Mum and Dad. I went to St.Anthonys then St.Gerards, great days, I went back in the 70s and hardly recognized anything, even the people were different, if anybody has any info. "It's within the margin of error, Joanna, let's be clear about that" Now offering wine & beer by the glass! [16] In 1912, Glasgow annexed Govan after a series of annexation battles. Memories of our workers are Nancy, Margret-Anne and various others, oh and not forgetting Speedy. It was followed by an undercover drugs team down the M8, onto the M74 and over the border into England. I was born in Broomloan Road Ibrox in Govan in 1958. My sisters were Elaine & Brenda and my brother was George. Town officials arranged for the deepening of the Clyde in 1759, the reclamation of the channels between the islands (The Whyte Inch, The Black Inch, and The King's Inch), and the construction of quays and docks. Home - Wineally History [ edit] In May 1979, Margaret Thatcher was elected Prime Minister and her ministry soon began its privatisation programme. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie Street until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. Portrait of a Lady by Esme Clark. The faults were caused mainly by a lack of insulation and waterproofing at the joints in the concrete panels, which made up the structure. Although Govan was the stated setting for the show, episodes were seldom filmed there. 15 Saturday Home, 2005, p. 20 16Vindicated1, 2005, p. 1-2, Acknowledgements One thing is clear about Woodinville's Woodin Creek, it is very dog friendly! I was born and raised at 976 Govan road and remember concerts we used to have round the back for the neighbours and we would make costumes out of crepe paper and sing songs like" oh you beautiful doll you great big beautiful doll". [24], Despite these developments, there were numerous older buildings around Govan until quite recently, most notably the terraces and tenements situated around Govan Road. [12], There is an oddity whereby part of eighteenth-century parish of Govan (which was in Lanarkshire) is counted as being within Renfrewshire. I used to know a Maureen Murray who lived about there she would be about 72 now. I've looked at several sites like this, in search of a memory or a photo and never found a thing - yet it was a Govan institution. I lived my early years in Govan on Vicarfield Street opposite St. Gerard's School where many of my older cousins attended, amongst them the McCurrys. Mind you, the mice we lifted them out of a glass tank by the tail then put them in thick brown bags of thinnish white boxes for their journey home and I'm convinced most would have chewed through and escaped within minutes of leaving the shop. Today the area is policed from bright new shiny offices opposite Bellahouston Park on Helen Street. The City of Woodinville's Mayor Mike Millan cut the ribbon to mark the occasion. Darners second criticism was that the Tenants Association in the scheme had no local leadership or community say over who came into the scheme. Skater Girl. Interest. Moorepark, Glasgow - Wikipedia I look forward to reading further. Fixed: Release in which this issue/RFE has been fixed.The release containing this fix may be available for download as an Early Access Release or a General Availability Release. 11/2. Sources 14). Providing a family base with a family room in Govan, with weekly meetings in Govan and Easterhouse Providing consistent, non-judgmental support to families and individuals, and home visits to families in crisis Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. I liked Daddy Boyd although I never had him as a teacher, he was in charge of the rowing club of which I enjoyed many an hour on the Clyde. Finally, Darners last thoughts on a solution to Mooreparks spiralling problems were that it could be found in Community Planning. We went this year to the Fairfield shipyard museum which was very interesting. The following year in 1966, the yard was again reorganised as Fairfields and guaranteed by the government in response. I'm thinking I never whined at them again. Govan has had several local newspapers over the years such as the Govan Chronicle and Govan Press published by the Cossar Family (1851-1983) and by John Maclean (20062014) which also served the communities of Kinning Park, Cardonald, Penilee and Hillington, and the Govan Post (19831988) published by Cook, Paton & Co. of Paisley, now part of Dunfermline Press. Alley & Vine will be ready for outdoor and indoor dining once allowed, but until then, customers can order online or by phone for takeout and curbside pickup. If I could I would have bought many! Community organisation. I was a deckhand on the TSS Shleldhall sewage ship that sailed down the Clyde every day Monday to Friday to the tail of the bank, there we discharged the load then made a circle before heading back up home. Damer (who lived for six months in the scheme) wanted to find out how and why such places came to exist, and what could be done to help them. [32][33] The shipbuilding operations became BAE Systems Marine, which subsequently became part of BVT Surface Fleet, a naval shipbuilding joint venture between BAE Systems and VT Group, which became BAE Systems Surface Ships in 2009. We may then apply our discretion under the user terms to amend or delete comments. @AlanJParks" Darner had two criticisms of the improvement programme. Although the scheme had a bad reputation for crime, drinking and violence, as a child I never felt unsafe or deprived in any way and knew only kindness from my family, friends, relatives and neighbours. My mother was Frances Leddy and she was born at 57 Hamilton Street in 1926. We used to listen to all the records being played from Munleys on a Saturday morning. 114m Nailsby Taylor . The Old Govan Fair. It was a beautiful building and I would have thought that the powers that be could have used it for something. [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 I lived at 73 Nethan Street, Govan. Very happy days. I was brought up on Broomloan Road, Ibrox across from Ibrox high flats.the Ibrox house pub was just up road from me as well. My family lived at 100 Harmony Row, Govan until I was 10 (born 1953), I lived there with my father Guido Gonnella, my mom Susan, brother William and sisters Helen Marie and Susan also lived with us. The manager was a man called Jackie. Police Scotland. Living Dangerously in Govan by James McDonald. Now her daughter (my mother) is 92 years old and I am fascinated by the stories which her mother passed down to her and now to me. 5 Smith, 1992, p. 4 Wine Alley Govan Glasgow | Visit A Winery Once the area had gained a bad reputation (through no fault of its own), this was picked up by Govans local newspaper, The Govan Press, who furthered the image in a relentlessly aggressive campaign against the inhabitants until even the authorities began to believe it too. Fall in Woodinville at After Hours Wine Walks in Woodin Creek Village! I lived in Kintra Street from 1946 until 1960 and went to Broomloan Road school then Govan High. My dad gave my a slap for not fighting them, god was only about five years old. Lots of memories of that area. Playing out in the street with our whip and peeries my sisters and friends would have contests to see who could chalk their peerie with the best colour design. Also used to go for a bath there even though we had a bath at home. We used to prick our fingers to drop blood into the fish tank where the (goldfish-sized) piranhas were and watch them converge on the blood. 81 Albums for you to enjoy : - Sunny Govan Memories | Facebook Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. Read More Where abouts from Glasgow are you from? | Page 6 | TalkCeltic - The Providing activities for member children and young people Providing informal and formal training for family members I almost joined Majorettes but I had no coordination so no chance of being Govan Queen either that year. The above digital stories were made by members of Govan Reminiscence Group for the Heritage Lottery funded Britain From Above Community Project in Govan, Glasgow, during Spring 2014. By the early 80s, much of the place had acquired an air of dilapidation and neglect. In the cace of Easterhouse it was the various interested parties of the Eastethoude Community Group who decided to get the authorities to tske notice of their plight by directly intervening their own affairs. The church of Govan was a prebend of Glasgow. I was born in Southern General 1971, lived in 1 Elder Street with my mum Ina Quinn and dad Peter Quinn, brothers and sister. We lived in Southcroft St., when we got married. When in trouble the Govanites all come together. They were, however, very much a part of the physical landscape that became Renfrewshire. It was incorporated into the City of Glasgow in 1912.[5]. If his western city is invariably "smoky" and even hellish in aspect, throughout his poem "Edinburgh" the Scottish capital is glimpsed "high in . Lifts were often out of order; maintenance of the blocks was negligible while the area surrounding the tower blocks was allowed to turn into a muddy, rubbish-strewn wasteland. he had come to live in Wine Alley to see for himself why it seemed to be such a horrible place to outsiders. I have many happy memories of Govan. 13 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 92 alebo. I was born in Govan in 1948 and lived with my grannie in Vicarfield Street, opposite the school. I loved it there we could watch the ships being built and then launched from the bedroom window. I used to go to the Harhill Baths every Friday night.Saturday mornings, afternoons were at the Lyceum or The Plaza Picture Houses. He lived on Govan Road. I remember a chemist called Brays on Govan Rd. As I recall they sold very trendy tops marketed as Trendy. Glasgow Braendam Link, Pearce Institute, 840 Govan Road, Govan, Glasgow, G51 3UU The jumps I remember were at the swing park at Harhill across from the steamie and at Greenfield where we jumped the middens and shelter and going along the wall (single brick width). Govan was the site of a ford and later a ferry which linked the area with Partick for seasonal cattle drovers. Hi there, just wondering if anyone has any info or stories on the Slaters, Mckechnies or Hutchisons, hope to hear back. Another trick was to get a queue lined up outside his house but to serve only half of them and tell the others to come back later. However, the documents do not ask why so many people with poor health or low educational qualifications happen to be in the same areas in the first place! I was born and brought up in Drumoyne. What Damer said about community could also be said about officialdom for they too can be victims of circumstance whenever decisions for the better do not influence policies for the worse. It was a them and us attitude that persisted right up until the Wine Alley was demolished in the late 1990s. Ai uitat contul? They also told police that the same man would rent out a larger car about once a month. They suggested that the hill may have been a 12th-century Norman motte. Used go there for coffee and listen to juke box. I remember your family at 100 Harmony Row, my cousin Maisie McAlinden was friendly with the family also my Granny, or as she was better known, MAW Austin, hence I was bettter known a Joe Austin. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council \"modernised\" it and tried to reintroduce the original name Moorepark but after 40 years of being the Wine Alley most people forgot about or even knew that the Wine Ally was originally called Moorepark and did not approve of the name Moorepark and continued to call it Wine Alley.