Spouse. I wanted to do a post on this, but hopefully we can open up a discussion (or rediscussion) on this and the other points here on G&W's post. Quick story. And I asked them what was wrong? QUESTION: You say mid-March, you mean mid-March, 1969? Do you think he will be finished by 4:15? When questioned, Garretson said he was unaware of the murders until police burst into his bedroom and led him to the bloody bodies of Frokowski and Abigail Folger, lying on the lawn, and Steven Parent, slumped over the wheel of his car. I never will. QUESTION: You dont recall whether it was chilly out or not, do you? You're right and good point. It wasnt very loud, you know. If this concerns you click read more. QUESTION: If you recall, when would they normally commence their barking? Then, I discovered her Facebook page but noticed she hadn't posted since 2019. How were people drinking jars of shine and smacking kids up around her? Could Billy have been deliberately placed at Cielo as an informant?How Garretson got the job is irrelevant and therefore a distraction and it was important, especially so early in the trial {I think he was the third witness}, not to entertain things that could get any juror's mind wandering.Later in the trial, when Rudi Altobelli is on the stand, both Bugliosi and Ronald Hughes question him a bit on the hiring of Bill Garretson. I think you have the right to go into it if there is any possibility of impeaching. Star - I like your two questions about Billy, btw. If I think I remember something, I'll fact-check it just to make sure, and then proceed from there.When it comes to this case, I find that a fairly common occurrence is taking the tiniest point or anomaly and making the most of it. Booze & Boos - THE BOY WHO SURVIVED CHARLES MANSON Lately - Facebook QUESTION: Actually, it was your impression that Mr. Frykowski was, in fact, the younger brother of Roman Polanski, is that correct? ANSWER: That he barked, I mean, generally, but I mean any night he would generally bark. The Tate-LaBianca murders were a series of murders perpetrated by members of the Manson Family during August 8-10, 1969, in Los Angeles, California, United States, under the direction of Tex Watson and Charles Manson.The perpetrators killed six people on the night of August 8-9: pregnant actress Sharon Tate (whose unborn child died as a result) and her companions Jay Sebring, Abigail . I doubt anyone in history ever slept thru a hummer before but what do I know. Or actresses and heiresses. Designed to look like a European cottage, it was first owned by the French actress Michele Morgan. You can almost feel the darkness swirling around the edges. William Place. QUESTION: Did you hear any screams or hollers or yells that evening? Mysteries. Is this the entrance here? Since 2016, Billy is gone and it's possible barely anyone cares. People . In a 1970 interview with the Columbus Citizen-Journal, William Garretson said he left Lancaster in the fall of 1968 and hitch-hiked to California. !Two seriously insane (and, frighteningly, stereotypical - in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE ) toothless Gypsy women had been/were taking turns on him as if Justin was a young Bill Garretson!! QUESTION: Had you known Mr. Parent prior to this occasion? QUESTION: By the pool of the Polanski residence? We are here for blood." Brother of John Garretson; Ann Griest; James Garretson, I; Content . and, hung out with Billy at the Cielo pool and, guesthouse. Impromptu writing workshops also routinely take place if you're the typing sort and wish to post. I hope you liked my Irish Rover joke in my previous post. QUESTION: He actually owned the guest house? QUESTION: Is the guest house air conditioned? Why Murdaugh killed his wife and son, according to the prosecution William's life was certainly filled with heartbreak and tragedy. Linda Lou Derr died at the end of July 2020. William Garretson was born on August 24, 1949 in Lancaster, Ohio. I haven't got a clue about WHERE this dialogue was (apologies, stabby Tex pain and, heaps of codeine) but, perhaps Grim, Starviego, Whut, Patty, or, SOMEONE else can remember and, give us a link.Love your posts GW. A more important question is ~ what did he do with the shirt he was given ? One I would have liked to ask Bill would be one that G&W has echoed here. Revenge. MR. STOVITZ: I will put a #1 on Exhibit B for identification. Torque said Bill Garretson did get charged for posession of marijuana in LATorque, do you remember where you read that? Immediately, the cops assumed they had caught the murderer and cuffed William, then paraded him past . ANSWER: Yes. After that, Google took me to her obituary. The Garretson Home was built in 1852 as a family home in the Italianate style, by William C. Garretson, a prominent figure in the history of Monroe County. I mean, maybe they had a few visitors, you know, maybe a few visitors, but not very much, no. Books, interviews, transcripts, they're all out there. Try to lead the proceedings down blind alleys. --Who paid the fee for Billy's high priced lawyer, and why?--How did Billy manage to avoid the draft? York to Bedford. QUESTION: And their name was Vargas, is that correct? derangedlacrimes. This is to no surprise as the LAPD officer who originally conducted his polygraph examination had concluded Garretson was clean on participation in the crimes, yet muddy as to his having heard anything. MR. BUGLIOSI: You may resume the witness stand, sir. I do but didn't until I looked into his story. $1.85 can only get one so far.Also, it has been traditionally held that Rudi Altobelli met Bill via hitchhiking. He said he hitch-hiked from Ohio to California. He had little or no money and was freshly unemployed. william garretson wife - ASE "He never had the chance to see the good and that's what's wrong with the prisoners in prison and the jail," she said. He never should've gone out there. These cookies do not store any personal information. Maybe he peed on the floor, who knows. In an Aug. 11, 1969, article, Garretson's mother told Eagle-Gazette staff she refused to believe her son committed the horrendous crime, citing that her son had only ever stolen some candy from a store as a child, but that all children do that. Mrs. Billy #3 is probably still out there, too. In Glenna's wedding announcement, not with Bill, didn't see what happened there but they weren't married, Glenna is also called a popular girl in town. Rudy Altobelli, hired a live-in caretaker named William Garretson to look after the property. He passed away in 2016 after a battle with cancer, two years before Charles Manson would meet his demise in prison. I'd say, "Gimme the straight dope, Billy. Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. QUESTION: Without telling me what he said, did Mr. Parent ask you well, without telling me the nature what was said in the conversation, did you have a discussion with Mr. Parent Billy and so many other youths were drawn west like moths to the flame and it never stops. She was a retired drug store cashier. MR. KANAREK: It is immaterial. It does nothing but clutter up the record and make the case perhaps longer than 6 months. QUESTION: What happened after you made those purchases? I want to pick up the phone while Billy's leaving his message to Max and breathlessly exclaim, "I'm here! There's too much (hate) on this earth now, so Manson is at peace now, I hope.". She also said he loved his work at the home of film director Roman Polanski. It was quite strange but not in the way you are describing. QUESTION: You had seen him on or about the premises? Marvin was bigger in '67. On July 26, 1970, William Garretson, called as a witness by and on behalf of the People of the State of California v. Charles Manson. QUESTION: About what time did you arrive? THE COURT: Cross-examination, Mr. Fitzgerald? ANSWER: Well, the Weimaraner left. QUESTION: He left about 15 minutes after midnight; is that what you are saying? I figured because I had trouble with the phone I had trouble with the phone about a month prior. MR. STOVITZ: With the permission of the Court, counsel stated we can mark that. William lived in a guesthouse on the property, and he was paid $35 per week to maintain the grounds. @ GreenWhite, I also live in the southern half of Ohio, in the eastern area. QUESTION: Were you asked about dogs barking at that time, if you recall? Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders, Manson Exposed: A Reporter's 50-Year Journey into Madness and Murder, CHARLES MANSON: Helter Skelter; The Entire Life Story, Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, Member of the Family: My Story of Charles Manson, Life Inside His Cult, and the Darkness That Ended the Sixties, The Long Prison Journey of Leslie Van Houten: Life Beyond the Cult, Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson, The Manson File: Myth and Reality of an Outlaw Shaman, Manson in His Own Words: The Shocking Confessions of The Most Dangerous Man Alive by Charles Manson. Criminal penalty. Sarah Wickersham. Actually, if you need backstory, start by reading the parts of, After that, read the Garretson articles on the right over there ------------------------->, For 21st century Billy info, read or refresh yourself on. He's impeached. QUESTION: When you discovered that the line was dead, or it sounded dead when you put it to your ear, did you attempt to investigate the cause of the disorder? (Aaron Sr. and Aaron Jr.) Aaron Garretson, Sr., our 3 rd great-grandfather, was the 7th of 10 children in a Quaker family. If you do not agree, please immediately exit the service. Billy was a prime draft candidate until he married and became a father. And why would he marry three women throughout the course of his life and have children with two if he was gay? We have estimated So, how much is William Garretson worth at the age of 67 years old? The Long, Chilling Shadow of Manson - Los Angeles Times "My husband, I really don't think anybody in the area here, never gave him a chance of day," Linda Derr, Garretson's ex-wife said. He says he doesnt know the defendants. There's no pool. Garretson, who stayed in a small cottage behind the main house, was miraculously unharmed and undisturbed during the murders on August 9, 1969. Conviction (s) Murder. MR. BUGLIOSI: I have here another photograph appearing to depict the same interior portion of the living room. Please don't stay forever angry, Mrs. Billy #1. There are many hustlers in LA right now who never reach those heights. Pretty girl, too. Despite the lack of direct evidence, the prosecution spent weeks outlining how Murdaugh had the motive, means and opportunity . ANSWER: Yes, I seen Miss Folgers Firebird. Like Max Frost said, Billy's number was in the phone book forever. And so, you know, after that I was going to go back to Ohio"Q You been arrested for Possession?A Yes.Q What else?A Well, back in Ohio, I got--I don't know if it would be a misdemeanor or what; it was, uh, Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor. Final point, Nan was a strict Nazarene. ANSWER: Yes. The mother told newspaper staff her son was mischievous as all kids are, but that he didn't like to hunt, fish or kill anything. I went down Im not sure I usually do different things every day. I lived in LA in 1969, in Leucadia and then in Orange County. A little while later, the woman of the house calls my friend on his personal phone and demands he fire the driver or they're done doing business together. He was the homosexual that Charles mentioned in a interview that sold him drugs and pornography on several occasions. QUESTION: These 3 dogs that you took care of for Mr. Altobelli, where were they that night? You can visit Sherman's. QUESTION: How did you enter the premises at 10:00 pm, through the gate here as depicted in the diagram? Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. As David/Dreath often has put it, damned fine lawyering. QUESTION: I see a couch with a white sheet over it. MR. BUGLIOSI: Your Honor, I have here a photograph of 3 cars. We recommend you to check the complete list of Famous People born on 24 August. Do you know what is shown in that photograph? THE COURT: He is not going to use the word impeachment; he is going to ask him if he said it. Star, I've often wondered if the car was a graduation present, and that, even if Bill sold it, the money may have been his, or at least a portion of it?Grim, for me what Bill was doing for the months before August 8 is simply background. I'd at least take the bus with some of my Camaro money. Cohen's is of course the best and then probably followed by Kaylee Rodgers from your own green island. Do you know what is shown in that photograph? ANSWER: Around 8:00 pm, I went down to Sunset Boulevard. Apologies, Glenna was indeed married before Uncle Bill. Wife of William Garretson married 28 Oct 1762 in Huntington, York, Pennsylvania, USA. A model year Camaro at home though and he hitches across the country with pocket change? The turning door handle story is terrifying okay but also reads like literature edited for maximum effect. It was Abigail Folger and Frykowski that threw the party. QUESTION: Did you have your windows open in the guest house? Garretson was a caretaker at 10050 Cielo Drive in Benedict Canyon, which, at the time, was being rented to director Roman Polanski, and his wife, actress Sharon Tate. He was unharmed, lived close to the residence, and likely had keys inside, so it wasn't much of a surprise when William was booked for the murders. MR. BUGLIOSI: The reason I did not think it was impeaching is the witness said they did bark that night. - Helter Skelter (1976) as William Garretson - The Chicken Chronicles (1977) as Tom - More American Graffiti (1979) as Ron - Running Scared (1986) as Det. The richest couple in his wealthy state receive weekly deliveries. ANSWER: The only party that I remember is that they had a very large party in, I think it was June. I didn't catch Charlie in anything case-related but I was able to verify his unreliableness as a witness to myself in print. He claimed that he didn't know whether he had or not, that the person he had hiked out to LA with, told him that some guy had shone his tings while he was crashed out. You consent to our use of cookies if you continue to use this site. 3. Martin Sr.'s wife, Anna Marie, also passed away in 1875 at the age of 56 due to winter fever. August 9, 2019 marks the 50th anniversary of the Sharon Tate murder that was inflicted by members of the Manson "Family." QUESTION: When you say they, who are you referring to? QUESTION: Again, did you pay any particular attention to that? Gimme an effin break. Garretson did not explain why he had withheld his knowledge of the events. And didn't he have any fear of the bad things that happen in the skin trade? . Offers may be subject to change without notice. "My husband, I really don't think anybody in the area here, never gave him a chance of day," Linda Derr, Garretson's ex-wife said. Just that her birth mom was a prostitute and her alleged dad was from "across the river". Or, nineteen year old Billy decides to hitch to California to see the country he thinks he'll be drafted to defend before it's too late. At this show there was a third band that was going to play between our support band and us.The three of us and our puny crew and, our 3 bus drivers got down to some pretty serious drinking starting around 11am. They have to be, in order to not give the jury time to focus on the question or the witness time to answer. The list is endless. I'd at least take the bus with some of my Camaro money. 1:07 LANCASTER - Charles Manson's death Sunday brought back memories of his connections to central and southern Ohio. QUESTION: Did you pay any particular attention to whether there was noise or not? HS. He is from USA. Aaron Stovitz wins the one-liner of the day award. Like the Partisan, j'ai chang cent fois de nom And I very rarely post here. According to our Database, He has no children. This is cross-examination. The Slow Death of William Eston Garretson Jr. - Manson Blog Garretson lived . QUESTION: All 3 dogs were inside the guest house that night, is that right? You were arrested, correct? Actually, I'm attempting to appear interesting. ANSWER: Two bodies on the front lawn and one in the car. So who knows? ANSWER: They would start to barking well, it would take about 6 seconds before the visitor would come to the door. ANSWER: No, I would say about 15 to 20 seconds, something like that. The Donna Jean comment was random but hilarious. Im not sure. QUESTION: that Mr. Parent tried to sell you? However long he was there, he surely needed practice and time to hone his skills. Wrong Place, Wrong Time. The forgotten Manson Family victim - Medium QUESTION: In other words, you did not cross over the lawn area in front of the Polanski residence? The people who served in Vietnam did so before their time in Manson land---Flynn, TJ the Terrible, etc. THE COURT: Well, I think it may be a good objection, but it is premature. Speculation and theories about Garretson suggest he was using drugs and an arresting officer said, he looked gone no life in his eyes. How did you become his rent boy? QUESTION: Did you also know the gardeners? Additionally, one of my distance cousins alive right now is married to one of Charlie's distant cousins. QUESTION: Is there a #4 on the volume control? The other guy can f himself forever. The Garretsons - RootsWeb QUESTION: And he picked you up and drove you home; is that correct? Children: William, John, Aaron, Anna wife of Elisha Underwood, Sarah wife of James Wickersham, Marion wife of Thomas McCrery, Naomi wife of James Thomas, and Elizabeth wife of Joseph Blackford. QUESTION: Did you have a conversation with some police officers? QUESTION: At any time on the 8th or 9th, did you look out of the guest house in the direction of the main house? Or turn him out. Star, as I recall, Bill discussed the marijuana charge with LAPD during his interview, and just before the polygraph examination. They drove there with the explicit intention of killing as many people as they found there, stealing their money, and staging the scene to look as though black people had committed the murders. It's not a stretch to wonder if things he experienced during that period might help us better understand the goings on at Cielo prior to the murders. I didn't have a car and as far as I remember the only buses were long distance Greyhounds. Killers, germs, conversations. I'm indeed the Donna Jean of the MB but know I'm gonna shine lol. Namely: if it took only a few days of hitchhiking to reach LA, and if he took the job at Cielo--as he said--in March 1969, where did Bill live for nearly five months prior to Cielo? After Parent gave Garretson a ride back to the estate, the young caretaker thanked him and invited Parent to stop by anytime he was in the area. MR. BUGLIOSI: Object, Your Honor, this is beyond the scope of the direct examination. Assistir Dortmund X RB Leipzig - Ao Vivo Grtis HD sem travar, sem anncios. QUESTION: During that period of time, did you know who was living in the main house? Would you have to close it or would it automatically close? Justin was a scrawny but tough little reprobate and, he was almost ALWAYS a dream to manage on the road. ANSWER: No. I still have yet to hear anything that even nudges me towards a belief that LE was found wanting, so when objections are levelled in that direction, even hints of it, I'll sometimes just point out what I can see as LE's logic in the moves they made.But that's just one side of the equation.starviego said:And how did he acquire a new car at all?Now that's a good question.But in the grand scheme of things, hardly of earth shaking importance.Is it cynical to ponder why on earth it's of any relevance what William Garretson was doing for some months before he found himself the only breathing individual in the midst of a savage slaughter ?And does it matter where he went when he was released from jail ? However it may cause one to wonder why Bill set out for California with only $1.85 in his pocket if he sold the Camaro. QUESTION: And after you testify in this case, you intend to return to Lancaster, sir? QUESTION: And it winds around, doesnt it? And she was a guest at the pool at Cielo. Also from his polygraph interview;"and I was going to go back to Ohio in March, and I was picked up for Possession of Marijuana, and it was lowered to Visitation. Billy studies business and is on the wrestling team but absent from the team photo. Hussey Manuscript Page - RootsWeb August 12, 1969, 19 year old William Garretson is released - reddit If you're wondering, I solve the mystery behind August 8th today, so make sure you read through until the end! Well said. Every young person loves living at home after they become adults. QUESTION: Did you ever see what appeared to be parties in the evening in the location of the pool? QUESTION: I show you Peoples 18 for identification, Mr. Garretson. QUESTION: Can you hear people swimming or anything? https://www.mansonfamily.net/. QUESTION: All right, the acoustics have you ever heard people talking in the vicinity of the pool area? Sandymount Strand! You are ordered to return Monday, Mr. Garretson. Magic lives in them. Sherman was tough. The guards see the driver on the camera walking out of the toilet. That's not new news. If you can believe it, six people lived in my town when I was born. QUESTION: Did you fall asleep around dawn at all? (Sparkling Wine)? QUESTION: Did you see any cars parked in the driveway? Or maybe not. Discover William Garretson's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. QUESTION: When you heard the dogs Christopher bark 2 or 3 hours after Steven Parent left, was it your state of mind that a guest was arriving on the premises? Where is William Garretson today, on the 50th anniversary of the murders? There would always be twenty or thirty dollars more and like she wasn't what they call a 'flatback' but she was a hustling girl." QUESTION: You were carrying a carton of Coca-Cola in one hand? Late night parties did occur at the main house so it is entirely possible that Garretson did not fully understand what danger was occurring that night. One can hear neighbors talking on the phone at a normal conversational voice level quite clearly from incredibly far away, depending on the weather and other conditions. John Garretson born 7 Jan 1757, married 22 Apr 1778 in Menallen to Tamar Hammond born 10 Sep 1759 7. QUESTION: Now, Mr. Parent came to the guest house, did you engage in some conversations? he was or anything. QUESTION: Now, are you familiar with the acoustics at 10050 Cielo Drive? You might think Billy was from the sticks and in a way you're right but his hometown of Lancaster, Ohio, is also basically becoming a distant burb of the state capital these days. Derr described her ex-husband, who died in 2016, as a very good man, loving man, and cited those qualities as the reason she married him. Before we get motoring, I want to assert that one indisputable truth in this whole big Charles Manson milieu is that the road is littered with children no one gave a shit about and often hurt. Maybe two counting when the police let him go. QUESTION: All right, when were you released? The trauma of what William witnessed led him to turn down multiple interview offers with the press that would have given him hundreds of thousands of dollars. MR. BUGLIOSI: May I mark this guest house, Your Honor? ANSWER: All the clocks were wound up. Tom and Dave were mowing the lawns on the Friday afternoon, with no way of knowing what would occur mere hours later. Sorry, $300-$500 range in today's money Billy remained in California for a full week after the police release him before returning home to Ohio. Soon after, Charles Manson and five followers were arrested and charged with the murders of seven people, including the actress. Billy grew up without a father in this tidy little home. May it be marked Peoples 18 for identification? ANSWER: I think it is a clock radio that he had brought with him. I can relate to your post, hearing "warsh" for "wash" lol. Buntline - Agree. William Browne Obituary (1927 - 2017) - Cuyahoga Falls, OH - Akron He was given a polygraph examination on August 10, 1969, and that had effectively eliminated him as a suspect. Pref - awesome username and thank you for the compliment. QUESTION: Do you recall what you did that afternoon? Thanks for the time you spend crafting your pieces, GreenWhite, and may the ink in your pen never run dry. More About WILLIAM GARRETSON: Occupation: Weaver Notes for MARY A. FRAIZER: Gary Hawley <ghaw@bigfoot.com> MR. FITZGERALD: Objection, Your Honor, the answer is non-responsive. THE COURT: What part do you claim impeaches him? No electric clocks in the guest house. The Garretson Home Historical Marker - hmdb.org Perhaps they were afraid they may have had to take care of Rudi's dogs if Bill wound up in jail.I have attempted to contact one girl that Bill was reported to have known in LA. "I doubt anyone in history ever slept thru a hummer before but what do I know? Tobiasragg, I stood at the hairpin turn on Cielo Drive last May and listened to my surroundings. After Sharon and three of her friends were killed in the California home she was renting with husband and director Roman Polanski, the Manson family murdered the LaBianca couple in order to try to divert the police's attention away from Charles Manson. daughter. William and Linda divorced after five years of marriage, but she spoke highly about her ex in an interview after Charles Manson died. He said so in his testimony. This is not an unusual phenomena at all. QUESTION: Were these Mr. Altobellis dogs? THE COURT: Overruled, you may answer that. QUESTION: I show you Peoples 5 for identification, a photograph of a young boy and girl? QUESTION: This is the only other time that you had seen him prior to this evening? In This Epic 2009 Oral History, People Close to the Case Recall the QUESTION: In other words, you were hitchhiking? Buntline, yes thanks. Frykowski needn't have been "screaming" as suggested to be heard down below. Sometimes he and Darrell double-dated and Garretson even let those two women (one Debbie T. and a Patty Montgomery) crash at the guesthouse"This hasn't got any dialogue with this Patty woman though Torque - Awesome idea reaching out to the pool friend. Warrington Monthly Meeting had been established in 1730 and many of the early meetings were held in the home of William Garretson, according to "Inventory of Church Archives" published by the Society of Friends. QUESTION: What is shown in that photograph? That got me. Does anyone consider a bj sex? He says a young woman got in contact with him just before 2000 who claimed she was Sharon Tate's baby and her name was Rosie Polanski. Their son was born with a heart condition and he ended up dying after his third open-heart surgery. QUESTION: Did you hear any loud noises of any kind whatsoever? Miriam Frazier Parsons. However, in a 1990s documentary about Sharon Tates death, Garretson changed his story and stated that he heard what sounded like firecrackers being thrown from Steven Parents car and thought it was a prank pulled by Parent, who had just departed. QUESTION: All right, from the guest house . William Garretson (1738 - 1810) - Genealogy - geni family tree QUESTION: Were you employed on the premises? Nathan Hussey and Ann, his wife; John Garretson and Content, his [second] wife; Christopher Hussey and Ann, his wife; John Day and . And also was not from Lancaster. Lancaster is famous for General William Tecumseh Sherman. We have had other occasional attempts at creative writing, such as Fayez with his affected and incomprehensible attempts at literary output. I noticed this at the same time I was reading Hillbilly Elegy recently. MR. BUGLIOSI: I have here a closer-up photograph showing the front side of the residence. THE COURT: The motion is granted. Maybe he tried women's wigs first and failed. North Los Angeles Street in the City of Los Angeles?